1 00:00:04,623 --> 00:00:08,193 the thing with this one that's gonna be coming out is it is gonna be different 2 00:00:08,193 --> 00:00:09,753 than any comedy special you've ever seen. 3 00:00:10,263 --> 00:00:14,943 It is part documentary, part special, where I interviewed over 4 00:00:14,943 --> 00:00:17,823 a dozen comedians about their own journey with anxiety and how they 5 00:00:17,823 --> 00:00:22,883 deal with mental health it is that interspersed into the standup routine. 6 00:00:23,433 --> 00:00:27,312 From a secret location in room 100 of 540 Jack Gibbs Boulevard. 7 00:00:27,322 --> 00:00:28,562 This is craft. 8 00:00:28,852 --> 00:00:30,312 I'm your host, Doug Dangler. 9 00:00:30,543 --> 00:00:33,693 Comedian Steve Hofstetter will appear at the Columbus Funny 10 00:00:33,693 --> 00:00:35,703 Bone on Tuesday, July 15th. 11 00:00:35,703 --> 00:00:39,123 Hofstetter, has over a billion views on YouTube, Facebook, and 12 00:00:39,123 --> 00:00:44,763 Instagram, and his book Ginger Kid, was a top five pick on Amazon and 13 00:00:44,763 --> 00:00:46,743 debuted number one in its category. 14 00:00:46,743 --> 00:00:52,233 He's written for Sports Illustrated, the NHL Maxim and New York Times among others. 15 00:00:52,233 --> 00:00:54,843 Welcome back to Columbus and Craft Steve Hofstetter. 16 00:00:55,338 --> 00:00:56,808 \Well, thank you so much for having me. 17 00:00:56,898 --> 00:00:59,598 I always have a special affinity for Columbus. 18 00:00:59,698 --> 00:01:03,268 smaller reason because the funny bone is where I recorded one of my specials. 19 00:01:03,298 --> 00:01:05,008 Bigger reason my wife's from there. 20 00:01:05,428 --> 00:01:06,478 Oh, okay. 21 00:01:06,578 --> 00:01:10,158 from Columbus, proper or from an area around Columbus 22 00:01:10,218 --> 00:01:11,268 Around Columbus. 23 00:01:11,268 --> 00:01:11,269 Okay. 24 00:01:11,368 --> 00:01:12,088 Pickerington. 25 00:01:12,448 --> 00:01:12,838 Oh, yes. 26 00:01:12,838 --> 00:01:15,058 I grew up in New York City and I always get very annoyed. 27 00:01:15,343 --> 00:01:16,867 When people are like oh, I'm from New York. 28 00:01:16,867 --> 00:01:17,887 What part Connecticut? 29 00:01:17,917 --> 00:01:21,277 I always get annoyed when people do that, but I specifically do that with 'em. 30 00:01:21,277 --> 00:01:22,477 Oh, my wife's from Columbus. 31 00:01:22,477 --> 00:01:23,617 'cause she basically is 32 00:01:23,767 --> 00:01:24,037 Yeah. 33 00:01:24,427 --> 00:01:28,467 Well I've lived, within two 70 and outside two 70 for the last 34 00:01:28,467 --> 00:01:30,197 30 years, so I know what you mean. 35 00:01:30,380 --> 00:01:33,830 it's sometimes not worth telling people, So tell me about this show 36 00:01:33,830 --> 00:01:35,750 that you're gonna present on July 15th. 37 00:01:35,750 --> 00:01:37,460 What is gonna happen? 38 00:01:37,970 --> 00:01:39,380 So, I'm excited about it. 39 00:01:39,380 --> 00:01:42,440 Most of the content is gonna be for the special that I just recorded, 40 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,430 that I haven't released yet. 41 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:45,390 which is called Kill the Butterflies. 42 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,640 despite what some comments on social media think, I'm not murdering butterflies. 43 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:50,420 It's a metaphor. 44 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:51,320 Metaphors are good. 45 00:01:51,750 --> 00:01:56,140 a lot of it's about anxiety, my own, journey with that and mental health 46 00:01:56,140 --> 00:01:59,050 and trying to de-stigmatize that just looking at that in a funny way. 47 00:01:59,427 --> 00:02:04,187 you've got a large and devoted following on YouTube, which was where I think 48 00:02:04,187 --> 00:02:05,567 you'll be dropping the special. 49 00:02:06,197 --> 00:02:06,677 Yes. 50 00:02:06,732 --> 00:02:10,002 tell me about how you've seen that channel evolve in the time 51 00:02:10,002 --> 00:02:11,322 that you've been posting on it. 52 00:02:11,322 --> 00:02:13,572 Because it's gone through a ton of changes. 53 00:02:13,572 --> 00:02:16,452 while you've been an active participant there. 54 00:02:17,237 --> 00:02:21,827 if my YouTube boom was about two years earlier, I would be a very rich person. 55 00:02:22,397 --> 00:02:26,357 But unfortunately, my boom came a little bit after the YouTube payday. 56 00:02:26,757 --> 00:02:28,797 but I still have almost a million subscribers. 57 00:02:28,797 --> 00:02:30,807 the really cool thing is that gives me freedom. 58 00:02:30,807 --> 00:02:32,877 It allows me to play where I want, when I want. 59 00:02:33,277 --> 00:02:34,417 and it's not just YouTube. 60 00:02:34,617 --> 00:02:36,267 I have almost a million on Facebook. 61 00:02:36,267 --> 00:02:38,397 350,000 on Instagram, et cetera. 62 00:02:38,477 --> 00:02:39,707 Reaching people directly. 63 00:02:39,707 --> 00:02:42,797 I no longer need some guy in a suit to tell people that they 64 00:02:42,797 --> 00:02:46,997 think I'm funny because People can just decide that for themselves. 65 00:02:46,997 --> 00:02:47,372 It's great. 66 00:02:48,287 --> 00:02:48,557 Okay. 67 00:02:49,207 --> 00:02:54,962 so when you go to YouTube and think, okay, I'm gonna put my new 68 00:02:54,962 --> 00:02:59,292 special here, that also cascades over into all the rest, I assume. 69 00:02:59,862 --> 00:03:00,012 Yes. 70 00:03:00,012 --> 00:03:03,582 the thing with this one that's gonna be coming out is it is gonna be different 71 00:03:03,582 --> 00:03:05,142 than any comedy special you've ever seen. 72 00:03:05,652 --> 00:03:10,752 It is part documentary, part special, where I interviewed over a dozen 73 00:03:10,752 --> 00:03:13,512 comedians about their own journey with anxiety and how they deal with. 74 00:03:13,542 --> 00:03:18,272 Mental health it is that interspersed into the standup routine. 75 00:03:18,822 --> 00:03:22,402 you basically get a behind the scenes of , why do people think that this part 76 00:03:22,402 --> 00:03:24,622 of this special could be important? 77 00:03:25,042 --> 00:03:25,132 Mm-hmm. 78 00:03:25,372 --> 00:03:30,352 And so it's a way to both watch comedy and a documentary at the same time. 79 00:03:31,252 --> 00:03:31,522 Okay, cool. 80 00:03:31,702 --> 00:03:35,302 It reminds me a little bit, your description, of John Mullany 81 00:03:35,302 --> 00:03:37,142 presenting about, Robin Williams. 82 00:03:37,697 --> 00:03:40,547 And he had this thing, I think it was Rob, when it was, where he said, 83 00:03:40,647 --> 00:03:42,777 not all comics are self-destructive. 84 00:03:43,207 --> 00:03:44,947 and this is something he wanted to get away from. 85 00:03:44,947 --> 00:03:49,597 Did you find that to also sort of be the case when you were talking to people about 86 00:03:49,597 --> 00:03:52,247 their, anxiety and being a performer? 87 00:03:52,707 --> 00:03:57,042 I interviewed comedians that I am, friends or friendly with, and I tend to be. 88 00:03:57,907 --> 00:03:59,767 friends with the people who aren't the broken toys. 89 00:04:00,377 --> 00:04:04,413 as someone who never had a significant drug problem, I don't 90 00:04:04,413 --> 00:04:05,913 gravitate toward those that do. 91 00:04:06,473 --> 00:04:10,743 so it might be a little skewed, a little self-selecting in that sense. 92 00:04:10,743 --> 00:04:13,713 I do think that sense of humor is a defense mechanism. 93 00:04:13,713 --> 00:04:16,283 You have to go through something to be funny that something can 94 00:04:16,283 --> 00:04:19,533 be, rock bottom being bullied or feeling like you don't fit in. 95 00:04:20,128 --> 00:04:22,528 whatever that something is, that's where a sense of humor comes from. 96 00:04:23,548 --> 00:04:29,848 Speaking of, medical stuff, you've got a recent post on YouTube, that, went up 97 00:04:29,848 --> 00:04:35,278 after an audience member collapsed from a medical condition and was revived by EMTs. 98 00:04:35,278 --> 00:04:39,508 Tell me about going through that and the aftermath of it because it 99 00:04:39,508 --> 00:04:42,908 looked like it was really, impactful. 100 00:04:43,553 --> 00:04:46,073 Yes, it was extremely harrowing at the time. 101 00:04:46,073 --> 00:04:53,103 It was almost 12 minutes, from the time that I saw something wrong to the time 102 00:04:53,103 --> 00:04:57,403 that we were able to get back to the show And that is a very long time to 103 00:04:57,403 --> 00:05:01,783 sit there in virtual silence where you just hope things are gonna be okay. 104 00:05:02,323 --> 00:05:06,373 I was really proud and I said it in the clip that I've always said the thing I'm 105 00:05:06,373 --> 00:05:09,853 proudest of in my career is who my fans are, the type of people that they are. 106 00:05:10,303 --> 00:05:12,823 And that was absolutely on display while that was happening. 107 00:05:13,223 --> 00:05:16,463 a couple people rushed to help immediately once we identified that there were 108 00:05:16,463 --> 00:05:20,233 some medical personnel in the audience, we found a couple doctors and a nurse 109 00:05:20,233 --> 00:05:21,913 and we were just like, go to it. 110 00:05:22,213 --> 00:05:24,283 And everybody else just kind of kept to themselves. 111 00:05:24,283 --> 00:05:26,743 There weren't people trying to interject themselves into this. 112 00:05:26,793 --> 00:05:29,793 I said from stage, I was like, if you are not directly involved in 113 00:05:29,793 --> 00:05:31,713 helping right now, please stay seated. 114 00:05:31,713 --> 00:05:32,613 And everybody did. 115 00:05:33,003 --> 00:05:38,653 And it was a theater of 550 people people were just waiting, hoping, and 116 00:05:38,683 --> 00:05:42,633 once the professionals did their job, thankfully I have friends in Denver 117 00:05:42,663 --> 00:05:46,413 and some of them were at the show and so that's who I asked to call 9 1 1. 118 00:05:46,858 --> 00:05:51,258 that way I had a conduit that I trusted on the phone and, had my dog with me. 119 00:05:51,288 --> 00:05:54,838 that helped too because the other comics who were on the show, I, went 120 00:05:54,838 --> 00:05:57,598 to the side of the stage and I was like, get, get Daubert right now. 121 00:05:57,868 --> 00:06:01,858 Like, get him outta the green room because we are going to take the stage after this. 122 00:06:02,318 --> 00:06:05,108 we need something to distract everyone from what just happened. 123 00:06:05,288 --> 00:06:05,378 Mm-hmm. 124 00:06:05,678 --> 00:06:08,068 So, it helped a lot that I have an adorable dog. 125 00:06:08,193 --> 00:06:08,483 Yeah. 126 00:06:08,608 --> 00:06:08,878 Yeah. 127 00:06:09,058 --> 00:06:09,778 Is it a chihuahua? 128 00:06:09,975 --> 00:06:12,855 he's a min pin mixed with, I don't know what else He's part 129 00:06:12,855 --> 00:06:14,145 Doberman, part shrink Ray. 130 00:06:14,505 --> 00:06:17,835 He just looks like we took him to a dog park and there was a real doberman 131 00:06:17,835 --> 00:06:20,295 there and it was like, oh, here's Daubert and here's Super Daubert. 132 00:06:20,295 --> 00:06:20,895 Mm-hmm. 133 00:06:20,990 --> 00:06:21,800 he looks like a teen. 134 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:22,430 Little Noman. 135 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:23,030 Yeah. 136 00:06:23,270 --> 00:06:24,050 You know, that's funny. 137 00:06:24,050 --> 00:06:29,330 when you said that, it occurs to me, I've met a variety of, comics with dogs 138 00:06:29,570 --> 00:06:32,630 and, sometimes they would be bringing them to interviews and things like that. 139 00:06:32,630 --> 00:06:36,800 One of them chewed on a set when I was doing tv and I was like, I 140 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,030 don't think that's a great idea. 141 00:06:39,245 --> 00:06:42,185 No, you gotta make sure if you're gonna bring your dog with you, that they will 142 00:06:42,185 --> 00:06:43,805 be well-behaved enough to be there. 143 00:06:43,860 --> 00:06:44,130 Yeah. 144 00:06:44,460 --> 00:06:48,370 So, I guess you need a, carry along, size like Dalbert as 145 00:06:48,370 --> 00:06:50,140 opposed to, your German Shepherds 146 00:06:50,470 --> 00:06:50,890 Well, yeah. 147 00:06:50,890 --> 00:06:52,540 Just for the travel aspect of it. 148 00:06:52,690 --> 00:06:54,550 You know, just for taking up room in the van. 149 00:06:55,020 --> 00:06:58,680 the idea that he can just cuddle up next to me in the 150 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,840 seat instead of needing his own. 151 00:07:00,983 --> 00:07:01,883 I think that's very important. 152 00:07:02,123 --> 00:07:06,923 So you also have a, well-known reputation for, exchanging with hecklers. 153 00:07:07,638 --> 00:07:11,178 Besides the medical emergency and the hecklers, what has been some of your 154 00:07:11,178 --> 00:07:15,708 most unexpected moments, some of your most memorable moments on stage that, 155 00:07:15,758 --> 00:07:17,678 you talk about with, other comics? 156 00:07:17,918 --> 00:07:22,868 What kinds of things really stand out in your career that you did not expect? 157 00:07:23,238 --> 00:07:24,288 someone proposed at a show. 158 00:07:25,158 --> 00:07:26,988 they ran it by me first, thankfully. 159 00:07:27,078 --> 00:07:28,008 Otherwise that would come a little. 160 00:07:28,008 --> 00:07:28,428 But it wasn't to 161 00:07:28,428 --> 00:07:28,728 you? 162 00:07:29,388 --> 00:07:29,688 No, no. 163 00:07:29,688 --> 00:07:30,288 Not to me. 164 00:07:30,808 --> 00:07:32,248 that's happened also, but not seriously. 165 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:36,530 someone reached out and, said that he and his girlfriend were big fans and he 166 00:07:36,530 --> 00:07:38,755 wanted to propose to her at the show, and I was like, yeah, let's make it happen. 167 00:07:38,935 --> 00:07:39,355 Mm-hmm. 168 00:07:39,355 --> 00:07:44,905 one of the moments was, I was in Casper, Wyoming on four 20, I mean, I'm sober. 169 00:07:44,905 --> 00:07:51,154 I've been sober over 20 years now, and I had never done anything until recently 170 00:07:51,154 --> 00:07:52,864 when I started taking edibles for anxiety. 171 00:07:52,864 --> 00:07:53,674 just to help me sleep. 172 00:07:54,244 --> 00:07:58,524 And so I had some with me and, I know that this is on record in Wyoming. 173 00:07:58,524 --> 00:07:59,664 It's not legal, but here we go. 174 00:08:00,054 --> 00:08:04,308 So I said to the crowd, the setup was terrible for a show. 175 00:08:04,308 --> 00:08:08,998 It was a bar that said they had a separate area for the show, and the 176 00:08:08,998 --> 00:08:12,988 separate area was literally fenced off by a piece of caution tape. 177 00:08:13,958 --> 00:08:15,848 there were just loud people at the end of the bar. 178 00:08:15,848 --> 00:08:18,848 And it sucked because here are all these, ticket buyers who paid to come 179 00:08:18,848 --> 00:08:21,038 see a show and they can barely hear it. 180 00:08:21,168 --> 00:08:23,118 I always go up first in my shows. 181 00:08:23,438 --> 00:08:26,614 I go up, I welcome everybody set the table for the openers. 182 00:08:26,614 --> 00:08:28,324 And then I come back from my man set later. 183 00:08:28,744 --> 00:08:31,504 So I went up first and I said, Hey, it's four 20. 184 00:08:31,864 --> 00:08:33,514 This is a weird environment for a show. 185 00:08:34,864 --> 00:08:37,714 I've never done a show in any altered state, even when I was drinking. 186 00:08:38,824 --> 00:08:39,934 Would you like to see that? 187 00:08:39,964 --> 00:08:40,984 And the crowd went crazy. 188 00:08:40,984 --> 00:08:42,604 And I was like, okay, well, we'll try. 189 00:08:43,144 --> 00:08:47,354 So I came back, for my set and I was doing my set like normal. 190 00:08:47,354 --> 00:08:48,134 Everything was fine. 191 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:52,744 And one guy got really upset at one joke I was doing a joke about how AI 192 00:08:52,744 --> 00:08:54,454 isn't gonna replace us anytime soon. 193 00:08:54,844 --> 00:08:57,334 And it's basically a joke about like, technology isn't great. 194 00:08:57,754 --> 00:08:57,934 Mm-hmm. 195 00:08:58,354 --> 00:09:01,354 Like the first day an Alexa wakes up, she's gonna have a bad day 196 00:09:01,384 --> 00:09:03,664 'cause she's gonna have to learn what it's like to talk to Alexa. 197 00:09:04,384 --> 00:09:08,884 And he got so mad at that and I don't know if he lost his job 198 00:09:08,884 --> 00:09:10,249 to a robot or whatever it was. 199 00:09:10,249 --> 00:09:13,714 But this guy was very upset and it was hilarious because I couldn't be 200 00:09:13,714 --> 00:09:19,384 mad because I was baked outta my mind and I was just laughing and giggling 201 00:09:19,384 --> 00:09:20,734 and I was like, of all the shows. 202 00:09:21,049 --> 00:09:22,279 That you pick to do this? 203 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:24,589 I'm unarmed and it was very fun. 204 00:09:24,589 --> 00:09:28,469 the comics who I tour with are buddies of mine and, we've toured a million different 205 00:09:28,469 --> 00:09:32,219 places they got a real kick out of seeing unarmed Steve deal with a heckler. 206 00:09:32,339 --> 00:09:34,584 Maybe, one of the few jobs where you can do that. 207 00:09:34,859 --> 00:09:35,129 yeah. 208 00:09:35,939 --> 00:09:36,119 Yeah. 209 00:09:36,119 --> 00:09:38,729 I mean, there are a lot of jobs where people do anyway, especially 210 00:09:38,729 --> 00:09:44,189 like when weed was first legalized in Denver, like in Colorado, you 211 00:09:44,189 --> 00:09:45,389 couldn't get a sandwich there. 212 00:09:45,699 --> 00:09:47,949 I walked into a Jimmy John's and I was like, Hey, can I get a sandwich? 213 00:09:47,949 --> 00:09:50,499 And the guy just goes, oh man, I should get a sandwich. 214 00:09:52,029 --> 00:09:53,529 You have that power, sir. 215 00:09:53,709 --> 00:09:54,009 Yeah. 216 00:09:54,769 --> 00:09:56,539 Well, it's legal now in Ohio. 217 00:09:56,729 --> 00:09:59,939 And I've been able to get sandwiches most places I've gone. 218 00:10:00,179 --> 00:10:03,989 So we're more responsible here than Colorado. 219 00:10:04,049 --> 00:10:07,559 Well, also it's been legal in Ohio's border states for quite some time, so 220 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,709 I think people got used to it there's always this Ohio, Michigan rivalry. 221 00:10:11,124 --> 00:10:14,184 when it was legal in Michigan and not in Ohio, there were so many people in 222 00:10:14,184 --> 00:10:15,924 Ohio be like, look, we hate Michigan. 223 00:10:15,924 --> 00:10:18,804 But also you wanna, should we take a run up there? 224 00:10:19,684 --> 00:10:20,434 For a week or so? 225 00:10:21,904 --> 00:10:22,294 A week? 226 00:10:22,344 --> 00:10:23,394 for 15 minutes. 227 00:10:23,604 --> 00:10:24,054 Yeah. 228 00:10:25,284 --> 00:10:26,484 Immediately run back. 229 00:10:26,904 --> 00:10:29,764 so you've been a comic, for a number of years. 230 00:10:29,794 --> 00:10:31,384 How do you keep it fresh for yourself? 231 00:10:31,534 --> 00:10:35,434 What, are the techniques that keep you looking forward to going to work? 232 00:10:35,909 --> 00:10:37,919 I mean, you find new stuff you wanna talk about. 233 00:10:37,979 --> 00:10:40,739 there are comedians who will do the same act for 20 years and I 234 00:10:40,739 --> 00:10:42,659 don't understand how they do it. 235 00:10:42,659 --> 00:10:43,889 And they're like, well, you know, it kills. 236 00:10:43,889 --> 00:10:44,999 And it's like, yeah, it does. 237 00:10:44,999 --> 00:10:47,819 But I also would never want to be one of those one hit wonders 238 00:10:47,819 --> 00:10:50,809 performing the same song at a county fair for the rest of my life. 239 00:10:50,959 --> 00:10:51,049 Mm-hmm. 240 00:10:51,659 --> 00:10:54,479 we are at our core, supposed to be artists, so be an artist 241 00:10:54,479 --> 00:10:56,219 and continue to create art. 242 00:10:56,729 --> 00:10:58,469 And that's is, it's as simple as that. 243 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:02,119 I did an hour on losing my father, and that was one of the most 244 00:11:02,119 --> 00:11:03,979 difficult things I've ever written. 245 00:11:03,979 --> 00:11:07,999 It took me seven years to write that hour because I had to wait long enough 246 00:11:07,999 --> 00:11:11,329 that I could still connect to the material, but I wasn't in the middle of 247 00:11:11,329 --> 00:11:13,129 grieving while I was talking about it. 248 00:11:13,319 --> 00:11:15,629 to me, talking about something like that was important talking about 249 00:11:15,629 --> 00:11:20,189 this anxiety journey is important and the next hour I'm writing is 250 00:11:20,189 --> 00:11:21,629 about potentially starting a family. 251 00:11:22,119 --> 00:11:22,779 that's important. 252 00:11:22,829 --> 00:11:24,389 so you just find the stuff you connect with. 253 00:11:24,834 --> 00:11:27,824 Steve Hofstetter, thank you very much for talking to me today. 254 00:11:27,824 --> 00:11:31,724 I really appreciate it and looking forward to you being at the Columbus 255 00:11:31,724 --> 00:11:33,854 Funny Bone on Tuesday, July 15th. 256 00:11:33,854 --> 00:11:41,234 People can go to Steve Hofsteder, that's H-O-F-S-T-E-T-T-E r.com for, all 257 00:11:41,234 --> 00:11:42,844 the information thank you very much. 258 00:11:43,474 --> 00:11:43,984 Thank you. 259 00:11:43,984 --> 00:11:47,164 The Bone is one of my favorite clubs in the world, and if people wanna 260 00:11:47,164 --> 00:11:50,584 see whether or not my wife's family thinks I'm funny, come to the show. 261 00:11:52,834 --> 00:11:54,124 Well, no, that is a risk. 262 00:11:54,174 --> 00:11:57,714 I hope people will take you up on that and, have them in a certain area. 263 00:11:58,254 --> 00:12:00,944 Seeing wife's family, and just see what happens. 264 00:12:01,184 --> 00:12:01,334 Yeah. 265 00:12:01,339 --> 00:12:01,749 See if they 266 00:12:01,749 --> 00:12:03,314 laugh, see if they laugh, see what stokes 267 00:12:03,314 --> 00:12:03,464 they 268 00:12:03,464 --> 00:12:04,784 like if they don't. 269 00:12:04,784 --> 00:12:06,884 All of this has really been a bad idea. 270 00:12:09,674 --> 00:12:09,944 Alright. 271 00:12:09,944 --> 00:12:10,574 Thanks much. 272 00:12:10,874 --> 00:12:11,054 Thank 273 00:12:11,054 --> 00:12:11,324 you. 274 00:12:11,634 --> 00:12:16,151 For more information from my guests, visit www crafttheshow. 275 00:12:16,161 --> 00:12:16,591 com. 276 00:12:16,651 --> 00:12:17,611 This is Doug Dangler. 277 00:12:17,791 --> 00:12:19,861 Until next time be creative.